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Topic: Horizontal Shiplap Painted - What to Use?

by JD 21 Jun 11, 14 replies : Last Post Sort by:
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Posted 21 Jun 11 3:38 PM
I'm thinking about using horizontal shiplap for cladding because we want a flat look with lots of lines.

It will be painted a light colour because I don't want the maintenance of stain or the look of weathered wood.

What would be suitable for this without being too expensive?

If it's painted do I need Cedar or if I use pine will it split, move and bleed gum?

Thanks
JD


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Re: Horizontal Shiplap Painted - What to Use? 
Posted 21 Jun 11 3:55 PM
I've checked out some prices...

Pine $45
Macrocarpa $55
Lawson Cyprus $60
NZ Cedar $67.50
Cedar $120 !!!

Cedar is a crazy price... is it THAT much better?
If I'm painting it does it matter?

Thanks

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Re: Horizontal Shiplap Painted - What to Use? 
Posted 21 Jun 11 5:09 PM
I've also found some colour coated Aluminium cladding but the shiplap is a little too wide but would be interested in what anyone thinks of that too.

I'm not sure what the cost of that will be though.

Thanks

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Re: Horizontal Shiplap Painted - What to Use? 
Posted 22 Jun 11 8:01 AM
hi jd, what are those prices? square metre ?
dont use nz cedar.it is a totally different animal to the slow growing imported cedar.

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Re: Horizontal Shiplap Painted - What to Use? 
Posted 22 Jun 11 9:55 AM
Here's the link...
http://www.standeventimber.co.nz/shop/weatherboards.html

Even though NZ Cedar isn't as good as overseas cedar would it still be better than pine because it might add to the resale of the house to say that it has cedar cladding wouldn't it?

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Re: Horizontal Shiplap Painted - What to Use? 
Posted 3 Jul 11 10:07 AM

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Posted 3 Jul 11 10:20 AM
Hey JD,

Have you ever thought about Vinyl Weatherboard cladding?
Ive just done my new house on the west coast in it and I am IMPRESSED!. 200m2 for approx 9k (no painting and half the time to install)
Even the building inspectors where impressed.
The valuation of my house increased 20% due to using "sensible low maintenance cladding" + I used PVC windows.
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Re: Horizontal Shiplap Painted - What to Use? 
Posted 3 Jul 11 6:10 PM
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Posted 4 Jul 11 8:07 AM
JD,

They are, I have actually own a company (Thermalspec) which we have the agency for Homerit ChCh south. We buy the welded joinery off them, freight them to our workshop, Glaze/reveal them, install in a custom jig to make sure they all operate correctly, give em a good clean up and going over then deliver them to site.
They are popular, people are starting to understand the benefits of PVC.
I'm really happy with them at my house, they do the job perfectly and I get a lot of favorable comments.

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Re: Horizontal Shiplap Painted - What to Use? 
Posted 4 Aug 11 9:10 AM
Have a look at a product called A-lign through www.jenkin.co.nz H3.1 treated fingerjointed kiln dried radiata pine which is pre-primed and undercoated on all faces. A good sustainable use of timber as a cladding.

If you are going to use Macrocarpa or Lawson Cypress and stain it I would talk to Duncan at Natural Houseco http://www.naturalhouse.co.nz/

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Re: Horizontal Shiplap Painted - What to Use? 
Posted 4 Aug 11 11:25 AM
Hi Dean,
sorry but I can't really see anything sustainable in H3.1 radiata pine.
It requires protective measure to work with it.
The offcuts cannot be burnt as it is a kind of toxic waste.
The treatment plants are an environmental hazard
The cladding is toxic waste at the end of it's life cycle.
And if it is burnt by someone who doesn't know about the treatment it generates super toxins in the process.
Plus the constant need for more paint doesn't make it sustainable either.

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Re: Horizontal Shiplap Painted - What to Use? 
Posted 4 Aug 11 9:44 PM
It's an interesting debate - what is sustainable?

In my opinion, and I accept that there will be many with other opinions, radiata pine has many sustainable attributes. Chief amongst those is that given the right treatment or protection its life in service as a building material can exceed the time that it takes to regrow and be harvested again by 3 or 4 times.

This compares with other timbers that might last much longer without treatment but will probably take 3 or 4 or more times as long to regrow as a minimum.

All organic materials begin to decompose from the moment they are harvested. To increase their life as building materials we need to take a very unnatural step and interrupt the decay part of the cycle and that usually means chemical intervention or a physical barrier or both.

Radiata pine grows very quickly - one of its greatest attributes but this also gives rise to one of its greatest weaknesses, a very open and porous structure which takes in moisture more readily than other species and will decay faster than other species, however this also makes it very easy to treat.

Your comments regarding the hazards of treatment are entirely correct, particularly in relation to CCA treatment. The Jenkins A-lign product that I referred to is LSOP treated which creates fewer issues than CCA, some information on its recommended use http://www.dbh.govt.nz/codewords-20-article-4 and http://www.nztpc.co.nz/lospTreatedTimber.php

The industry appears to be focussed on reducing the toxicity of treatments which can only be good, and the NZBC was amended recently to reduce the use of CCA treatment in timber wall framing in favour of Boron treatment which is much more benign.

If you take the approach of building your own one off super eco home then it is easily possible to scout around and find all sorts of small scale sustainable alternatives to pine. But if you take an industry approach and recognise that we need vast quantities of building materials and that the majority of our plantation forests are pinus radiata then we need to work with what we have got in the best possible fashion.

I regard pinus radiata as a building product that can be supplied and used on a sustainable basis, having said that I would like to see continued improvements in its treatment and reduction in its ecological impact.

If we were to turn our backs on pine then we would be faced with importing more timbers from overseas, or using more petroleum, cement, and metal based products in its place.

It's not perfect by any means, but I do see it as an important part of moving mainstream building techniques towards a more sustainable future.

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Re: Horizontal Shiplap Painted - What to Use? 
Posted 5 Aug 11 9:51 AM
IMO Truly sustainable timber requires no treatment.
Sustainable also means that at the end of its use the material can be either re used or disposed without creating an environmental risk.
Timber buildings can last centuries without treated timber if the timber is fit for purpose and the right design and techiques are used. It would make more sense to start growing other more durable species than pinus radiata.
Timber is a very appealing material to build a healthy home but to me it loses all it's appeal if it has to be made "fit for purpose" with the use of toxins.
In that case I would rather use concrete, steel or imported timber.
It is not quite true that all organic materials start to decompose from the moment of harvest.
Some of the truely durable and sustainable timbers like oak, larch, douglas fir, baltic pine and others.............become harder and more resistant with age.
Don't know if you ever tried to cut a beam or screw into it in a 16 th century building


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Re: Horizontal Shiplap Painted - What to Use? 
Posted 12 Jan 13 5:37 PM
Hi JD

I think I am too late to respond, but Abodo launched the Elements range range of timber cladding products last year. Yes, they are made from sustainable FSC certified NZ Radiata Pine.

The Elements Sand+ range is engineered so the the grain is vertical, for maximum stability. Is its treated to H3.2 with a non arsenic, non chrome wood preservative and features a 30 year warranty.

Even better it is supplied pre-finished with a natural plant based oil which penetrates into the wood.

There is a vertical shiplap profile called Ivan - check it out here - http://abodo.co.nz/product/sand-plus-ivan/

We also do a chemical free product call Kaingaroa Fir. Its made from durable heart Douglas Fir. Check it out here http://abodo.co.nz/product/kaingaroa-fir-ivan/

NZ Heart Douglas fir is naturally durable and has been tested for over 20 years in cladding applications. Abodo Wood commission a report from Scion, formerly Forest Research on the durability of heart Douglas fir. I'm happy to share the report. Its a damn sight cheaper than Macrocarpa and Cedar at $36/sqm...

Cheers

Daniel Gudsell
Abodo Wood Ltd
www.abodo.co.nz
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Re: Horizontal Shiplap Painted - What to Use? 
Posted 14 Feb 13 8:41 AM
Where do I get either the Vinyl or steel ship lap from
 

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