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Re: New food bill in New Zealand takes away human right to grow food

Posted 13 Jan '12 01:59 PM

I have just spent 3 hours reviewing (or attempting to review) NZ Government Food Bill 160-2

as well as a good selection of the comments made by the select committee.

Just to add some perspective, I have a PhD in population ecology (U of California at Santa Barbara), I have spent most of my working life as an Environmental Analyst including 15 years as a Programme Specialist and finally as a Director with UNESCO.

In all my years working with the highest International policy levels dealing with environmental management relating to Human System I have never encountered any regulatory document anywhere that even vaguely approaches the detail present in this document. The time taken to draft this cunningly contrived control mechanism would run into hundreds of thousands of person-hours. The cost of drafting anything like this complex control mechanism would be VAST, probably running into the millions of dollars. The scope of the document is absolutely incredible. It allows for the state to absolutely deploy its full capacity to control even the minutest levels of food and food-related components. If desired, this could even include a food-plan to cover what one might feed a dinner guest along with the associated proscriptions and punishments that might be involved in case of deviations therefrom. I say "allows" because everything and almost any related thing can be "allowed" by the Minister (or not), in addition to the thousands of specific conditions cited.

This is a comprehensive control-mechanism pure and simple. Its political purpose is clear: the source of funding to support drafting the template for this item are quite clear and many people have already alluded to this in the comment-stream above. What kinds of free-trade agreements do you think will develop with this sort of thing as the back-stop? True, it allows for rules and procedures to be formulated to help ensure that the food one buys is "safe" but that is not the primary intent of Bill 160-2 at all. Nothing other than the full and explicit control of society is intended through so called "food management". Food (energy) is the fundamental ecological choke-point that governs all living systems..... Think about it folks.....

What is even more disheartening is to compare the simple-minded comments made by the select committee members in relation to the true implications of this bill - section by section. And the Greens, oh dear, what a pathetic bunch... they would like food-source labeling to be arranged and that environmental contaminants such as heavy metals and pesticides be kept out food (do tell, now there is a message that everyone has just been dying to hear). They have missed the main point entirely!

Winston where are you in our hour of need? Speak up please.....

Re: New food bill in New Zealand takes away human right to grow food

Posted 20 Jan '12 06:22 AM

There is some good commentary on the new food bill here:

Re: New food bill in New Zealand takes away human right to grow food

Posted 24 Jan '12 10:41 AM

Here's a link to the Campbell Live episode where he discussed the food bill:

Re: New food bill in New Zealand takes away human right to grow food

Posted 25 Jan '12 05:59 AM

Thank You for your contribution Goldenage. Codex is a Draconian Bill that would grant excessive powers to "authorities."...and we all know that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Re: New food bill in New Zealand takes away human right to grow food

Posted 25 Jan '12 08:16 AM

Thank you nofear,

Because of the complexity and the International flavour of the NZ Food Bill I figure it to have "originated" in the form of some template kind of a thing (replace all "nation state" with "Government of New Zealand" and tidy up the rest....).

The FAO Commission (Really a work-program) produced the Codex Ailimentaris (Food Book) which is crudely a data-base covering food products, contaminants, suggested tolerable levels thereof, standards of handling and so on and so forth. This is a passive (optional) instrument for FAO member states to consider (or not) whereas the NZ food bill is an active control implement.

The “real” culprit IMHO is The World Trade Organization (WTO) which has operationalized the Codex as a set of compulsory standards for its own member states. See: “Codex is effectively mandatory for all WTO Members -

The basis for enforcement of the various different Guidelines and Standards put forward by the Codex comes from the ‘Agreement on the Application of Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures’ (SPS Agreement) and the ‘Agreement on Technical Barriers to Trade’ (TBT Agreement). Both the SPS Agreement and the TBT Agreement were included among the Multilateral Agreements on Trade in Goods, which was annexed to the 1994 Marrakesh Agreement that established the WTO. (11). Although Codex standards and guidelines are theoretically voluntary, a new status has in effect been conferred on them by the SPS Agreement, in that any WTO Member adopting them is presumed to be in full compliance with the SPS Agreement. (12). The net result of this is that even when a country decides not to use a Codex standard the measure that it operates in place of that Codex standard remains subject to a range of conditions set out in detail in Article 5 of the SPS Agreement.

The above analysis (please actually read the original not just the short summary above) makes clear it is the WTO that has apparently imposed an obligation for compliance with the FAO Codex. That being the case it is very likely that the original “food law” template came out of the WTO and was shipped around to all WTO member states. I cannot say that for sure but one should also note the WTO is NOT a member of the United Nations (UN) family at all.

However, although the WTO is not a UN specialized agency, it has maintained strong relations with the UN and its agencies since its establishment. The WTO-UN relations are governed by the “Arrangements for Effective Cooperation with other Intergovernmental Organizations-Relations Between the WTO and the United Nations” signed on 15, November 1995. The WTO Director General participates to the Chief Executive Board which is the organ of coordination within the UN system.

The WTO will undoubtedly have received heavy funding (and lobbying) from the likes of International food and agricultural companies and so forth thus explaining the emphasis placed on policing, seed-control, beating-up on small producers and so forth. The New Zealand Food Law thus becomes a proxy for control functions to be exercised directly by “Big Business”. In other words, we in KIWILAND as a sovereign Nation State, do not make our own laws anymore…..This is indeed a very serious matter.

Care for a “FREE TRADE AGREEMENT” anyone? You can have it but first you must concede your sovereignty to “US”.

Dr J R E Harger Director UNESCO/IOC, (retired)

Re: New food bill in New Zealand takes away human right to grow food

Posted 26 Jan '12 06:36 AM

Goldenage, as you well , this world is upside down. Free trade...There is no such thing. I remember back when the NZ govt talked about a "level playing field" re free trade. Sadly, NZ has been the only country palying on it. Oh what suckers we are...suckers enough to embrace Codex most likely.

It has been claimed that Codex is just one objective of what is known as "Agenda 21".

Re: New food bill in New Zealand takes away human right to grow food

Posted 30 Jan '12 07:43 AM

Dying Honeybees: It Was the Insecticides All Along

By Jeanne Roberts, Celsias

28 January 12

ith news that the U.S. honeybee population has been so devastated that some beekeepers will qualify for disaster relief dollars, comes a report from Purdue University that one of the causes of honeybee deaths is - as long suspected - neonicotinoids.

I say one of the causes, because the article does. In fact, the levels of neonicotinoid contamination of the powder used to spread seeds - up to 700,000 times the lethal dose - suggest that this pesticide may be the major, or precipitating, cause, with Varroa mites and other problems simply the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

And this, a myriad of causes, none of them dominant, is what agencies like the U.S.

Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the U.S. Department of Agriculture would have us believe, either because (as some suggest) they are understaffed to adequately investigate Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD), or because some of their former (or present) members are in bed with major chemical and genetically modified (GM) seed manufacturers.

The study, by Christian Krupke (professor of entomology) and Greg Hunt (professor of genetics and honeybee specialist), explains that the contaminated powder is residue from the seed treatment. What happens is, corn and soybean seeds are treated with neonicotinoids in a talc base to keep them moving through today’s high-tech vacuum seed spreaders when it comes time to plant.

But not all the talc stays attached to the seeds. Some is released as residue due to excessive application or machinery vibrations, or when cleaning the seeders after use, and settles on nearby flowering plants or in the soil. Some even manages to survive the growing year intact on corn pollen.

One of the neonicotinoids, clothianidin (and its precursor, thiamethoxam), was also found regularly, albeit at low levels, in U.S. soils up to 24 months after treated seed was planted. This is the same insecticide, or pesticide already banned across much of Europe, including France, Italy, Germany, the UK and Slovenia.

Several countries, like Germany, have also sued clothianidin maker Bayer CropScience for its role in the manufacture and distribution of the highly toxic pesticide, which is aimed at replacing imidacloprid (whose patent ran out, so it doesn’t bring as much sales revenue to chemical corporations like Bayer CropScience!).

This is the same Bayer that came under the gun in 2010 for its GM rice, which contaminated three fields of genetically pure rice in Germany. The cost, to Bayer, was $1.5 million, but the truth is that the Big Five Frankenfood creators (Bayer, Monsanto, Syngenta, Dow and DuPont) rarely get tagged for their perversion of the natural world, making their takeover of the global seed market and their promotion of monocropping spectacularly successful (and almost complete, thanks to help from Codex Alimentarius).

Should you doubt this is true, consider the case of Monsanto in India, where the International Monetary Fund, or IMF, and the World Bank, both pushed regulators, who in turn pushed farmers to buy and sow expensive Monsanto cotton seed, which (because it carries a “terminator” gene) needs to be bought again every year, where once farmers either bought cheap, native cotton seed or saved seed for replanting.

When cotton fields from this GM seed failed to materialize - largely because farmers had been growing native cotton that required less water to survive - farmers lost everything. Many committed suicide by drinking the very (and also expensive) pesticides and weed killers tailor-made to work alongside their GM fields. The final death toll was 125,000.

Surprisingly, Europe - which seems to be dominated by a policy of central control (in everything from finances to law to farming), at least when compared to the U.S. - has been the staunchest opponent of Frankenfoods, from crop chemical to se

Re: New food bill in New Zealand takes away human right to grow food

Posted 24 Feb '12 08:18 PM

Why don't people see that the National Government's claims to take away bureaucratic compliance costs for business are just a nonsense. This bill will place more compliance costs on small local producers and distributors of food, costs which presumably the government can then use to further it's own purposes of putting more money into the hands of the multinational food companies and chemical companies which are on the stock market. This is the agenda of Mr Key's government.

Re: New food bill in New Zealand takes away human right to grow food

Posted 25 Feb '12 01:08 AM

The Government wants to stop people growing their own food or growing it to sell locally. Reasons are:

Large food corporates make huge "donations" to political parties. Local growers don't. Home grown food doesn't cost double or triple taxed money and profit margins therefore the government and their corporate friends miss out. Home grown and locally produced food supplies makes the individual less dependent on the services supplied by corporates therefore they have less power or control over this people.

Re: New food bill in New Zealand takes away human right to grow food

Posted 08 Jun '13 07:08 AM

This is truly horrifying. people I speak to about it are saying they will defy it if it happens. Tangata Whenua are particularly adamant. Most Northerners are of the opinion the law won't get the better of them regardless. My personal belief is that NZers have been ignoring laws about cannabis for a long time & will see this as just another similar situation.

Re: New food bill in New Zealand takes away human right to grow food

Posted 23 Sep '14 11:39 PM

Have you read the actual bill? because it does nothing of the sort. You will still be able to grow your own food, from your own seeds, own chickens for eggs, have a house cow for milk, at the fruit from your trees. etc. Even hold fundraisers & sell stuff, just as you can now. the bill applies to commercial traders & businesses only & they only have to comply with food safety laws - just as they always have done. I too was alarmed at what was being said, so I went & read the bill & realised that the alrm is manufactured & misleading, to be diplomatic about it. There's a lot of rubbish being put about.

Re: New food bill in New Zealand takes away human right to grow food

Posted 24 Sep '14 12:22 AM

You are correct, as far I know the actual bill has been significantly amended from the original draft due to fear of a [email protected]@storm.

Re: New food bill in New Zealand takes away human right to grow food

Posted 24 Sep '14 01:57 PM

Sorry, but it seems to be bullshit. Heard about it via FB this eve, posted and shared etc, then as the absolutely abhorrent implications dawned on me I went searching for any verification, including skimming through the 2014 NZ food bill and it's just not there. We are all so disillusioned after the election last week, we've a leader, conte and front bench that many distrust like I've never myself seen in my own 10 elections. Something like this is the sum of all our fears. That being said, if anyone can say I'm mistaken and point me to the evidence, please please do. It's too important to fly under any radar. MSC , Dunedin

Re: New food bill in New Zealand takes away human right to grow food

Posted 24 Sep '14 11:39 PM

Regarding my previous post on this same topic, My apologies to you all, I have to stand corrected and admit, very sadly, that this seems to be true. The summary of the 2014 NZ food bill posted by the Govt manages to avoid spelling it out, but under "Food Bill 160-2", its indeed just as it has been warned, and worse it seems to have been ratified, although Im still double checking that. Its disgusting!

RE: New food bill in New Zealand takes away human right to grow food

Posted 11 Aug '16 09:41 AM

when was this new law made
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